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I am also more then happy to do this as an alternative to the Lost Johns trip tomorrow, do you have a crow bar Chris and suitable digging bucket? Unless you are still injured Don and we will save it for another time.

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P.s. I would happily go back down it with you Don to dig it. We just need to find a suitible bucket (maybe from our old lanc dig) and a small crow bar to leaver out the cobbles.

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P.s. I would happily go back down it with you Don to dig it. We just need to find a suitible bucket (maybe from our old lanc dig) and a crow bar to leaver out the cobbles.

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Cobbles is all I could see but there could be dirt underneath them. Plenty of room in the chamber just before the final crawl. (Hence the need for a 20ft rope to pull them all back to that chamber). However you would have to clear a lot of them I could see about 10ft of passage that needs digging out.

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If we ever did want to dig it, I would say a small bucket, 20 – 30ft rope and crow-bar would be all that is required. Perhaps a trowel as there are other possibilities near by.

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They would need digging out Don, there is no way one could get through without going head first and collecting the cobbles and bringing them out. Definitely dig-able though, you would prob make progress after a few trips. I made adjustments to the trip report which it seems answers most of your questions except for the sqeeze one.

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I had a look at the survey of the cave and it’s interesting the passage we took to get to the top of the big pitch was not on the survey, it was quite hidden afterall unless you know where to look. I did not even know that route was there, when I last went through I crawled through somewhere lower down, through some tight horrible stuff. The passage was also pristine until we disturbed that mud pool, there were no foot prints in it when I got there, despite the need to stand/crawl in it to get through… new passage? If so there were some side passages going off that need pushing!

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Well that’s a given but it still don’t help me know what trip took place on the 10th of August.

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Thanks for reminding me why I did not want to visit for a 4th time. Such a cold,wet and muddy place.

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You made it through, so why is it cursed? From the title it sounded like the trip failed. Only thing that failed was your light and I am glad to hear you are replacing it!

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Sorry Chris, we don’t see you in the Dales nowadays so forgot about you lol.

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I kind of guessed fitting would be an issue with at least one of you, so that coupled with the long distance from where I was staying and needing an early start (I was up to 3am) was why I did not attend. However as you have been through Don maybe next time the weather is good and I am not in the wrong place me and you should do it alone. But all that gear between 2 would make a hard trip.

On the plus side Ayghill seems to have fixed my shoulder for the time-being.

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Was not that clean, thanks to the traverse of the gods. Interesting tid bit, is that the traverse was dug out and did not always exist.

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I think Daz may have missed an apostrophe.

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Sovereignty, who cares about sovereignty.

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